tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32259972.post2882278441613446638..comments2023-09-18T04:48:28.075-07:00Comments on Isorski's Musings: Zeppelin Changing Keys?Isorskihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14484072540653411158noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32259972.post-48432865775040648652007-11-30T10:26:00.000-08:002007-11-30T10:26:00.000-08:00I saw this one coming, which is part of the reason...I saw this one coming, which is part of the reason I wasn't very enthusiastic about the reunion. That, plus I'm not expecting radical re-makes that'll drop my jaw. The name "Led Zeppelin" has too many past associations with a particular sound, and I doubt they'd want to mess too much with that.<BR/><BR/>Now, if they were going in a route similar to what Page & Plant did with "Nobody's Fault But Mine" in that No Quarter special -- completely reinventing the songs and working in more folky textures and less rock -- I'd be pretty excited. Or if they focused on material from the last two or three Zep albums exclusively... if they're changing keys, changing the entire arrangement is almost a given. Might as well, you know? We'll see how it goes! Meanwhile, I'm diggin' "Raising Sand" quite a lot...harmolodichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14178088865993057500noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32259972.post-3532111009510350522007-11-29T22:45:00.000-08:002007-11-29T22:45:00.000-08:00No matter what key they are in, I think they will ...No matter what key they are in, I think they will sound great and put on an awesome show. The only thing that disappoints me about the upcoming show is that I won't be in the audience!Bar L.https://www.blogger.com/profile/11100008292699584336noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32259972.post-7530956964685656262007-11-27T21:03:00.000-08:002007-11-27T21:03:00.000-08:00I hear you, Voxmoose. I think there is a differenc...I hear you, Voxmoose. I think there is a difference between tuning down a half step (like KISS and Sabbath did from the start) or even a whole step (I think Soundgarden did a whole step - for sure a half) to make the music heavier or to make it easier to sing to.<BR/><BR/>However, changing the key of a song dramatically to the point where you have to play it differently (like from A to F or even E) will make the song sound verrry different. Even just due to the change in how the chords are fretted or the position on the neck.<BR/><BR/>Anyway, I agree with Nedmusic, we need to take this thing with low expectations and hope it goes well. The Floyd reunion at Live8, while very cool, is pretty choppy to listen to now. Why would this be any different?Isorskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14484072540653411158noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32259972.post-47896505328604914892007-11-27T15:26:00.000-08:002007-11-27T15:26:00.000-08:00I don't remember Osiris doing any key changes for ...I don't remember Osiris doing any key changes for their 20th reunion! Although I think Bloated would sound nice in a darker, lower key...Dr. Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12761381841131597933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32259972.post-30695363982802047332007-11-27T13:07:00.000-08:002007-11-27T13:07:00.000-08:00I hope people take this performance with a grain o...I hope people take this performance with a grain of salt. These guys are in their 60's - I think the key change is a responsible move. I'm sure it's one of the issues that came up when they were considering the reunion.neddrumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08628746676306280357noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32259972.post-71161693887039411842007-11-27T09:56:00.000-08:002007-11-27T09:56:00.000-08:00Very interesting issue. [prepare for pedantic min...Very interesting issue. [prepare for pedantic mini-rant, sorry]<BR/><BR/>Strictly speaking (at least on paper in mean tempered tuning), the key of a song shouldn't matter. What matters is the relative changes of notes and chords in the song. Without the benefits of perfect pitch, if a song is transposed in MIDI using a computer, you can't tell unless you really change the key A LOT. Even with perfect pitch, it would just register as exactly what it is: a uniform change in pitch an nothing more. The song should sound the same.<BR/><BR/>However, in reality, instruments like vocals and guitars have very different timbral quality to them depending on the key because of the mechanics of how tones are actually produced (this is not really so much much true with modern keyboards). Timbre is the distribution of less predominate tones associated with playing a particular note that give each instrument its particular sound. So, as you said, there can be a very real physical and psychological effect in changing keys. Old school composers going WAY back always picked their musical keys very carefully depending on what instruments they were using to maximize whatever effect they were going for (which could be a combination of singability, playability, and aesthetics).<BR/><BR/>My guess is that changing keys down will make Zeppelin music sound more "mature" (like with The Police), which perhaps isn't such a bad thing. Either that or it will sound like they are doing early Black Sabbath covers...VoxMoosehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17946275782986231529noreply@blogger.com